this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. live with had all the breaking news for you. rudy giuliani at it again reportedly saying president trump blocked the proposed at&t time warner merger. even though the justice department has insisted from day one that the president had no role in the lawsuit. that is according to the huffington post. so is this another foot in mouth moment for giuliani? more on that story in a moment. plus the white house refusing to apologize for a vicious so-called joke at the expense of

a true american hero john mccain who is battling brain cancer right now. it's hard to imagine anyone much less a white house aid would joke that john mccain, her words, is dying anyway. anyone with an ounce of decency would apologize, but not this white house. let's bring in executive producer of show time's "the circus." thank you for joining us this evening for our fireside chat as we often do on fridays. rudy, the merger, what do you think? >> well, just as a communications guy, worked with presidents and candidates, it just drives you crazy because you've got someone out there freelancing. you've got a legal strategy on all the other issues driving the president, and issue all random. there's no coordinated strategy behind it.

he's just picking up the phone and calling press people. we called him from the middle of show and he just started talking. he's accessible, but if you're the coms team you're just going crazy because you have no idea what he's saying or who's he's saying it to. there's supposed to be a separation of powers. >> this is declaration of assistant attorney general who says at no time did i receive orders introductions or orders related to the file a complaint from any of the following people or entities, president donald trump, the executive office of the president or any related rem representative of the staff. the deputy attorney general or any related representative of the staff, the associated attorney general or any related representative of the staff. anyone else the department of justice outside the anti-trust

division. >> reinforced the people's worst fears about the president, he doesn't understand separation of powers and takes out personal vendettas against the people and companies he doesn't like. >> we were talking about how they're going to clean this up. doesn't that make it hard? >> sure, it does. but i anticipate what he'll say is i didn't mean the president, i meant the president's administration. >> but isn't that still illegal? >> the president's department of justice. >> is that illegal? >> i think that's the only door he can open. >> all right, so this joke -- not the president. i think thinking about sarah sanders is what i was saying because it was asked about at the press briefing. i understand she did apologize to megan mccain and to her mother. >> right.

well, i mean first of all it's beyond insensitive, inhumane and indefensible. what he's really saying is john mccain doesn't matter, and it's not true. especially this week ironically, i mean the whole debate we were having with the cia confirmation was about torture. and reason we've changed our torture practices in the united states is because of john mccain. the interesting thing from the podium today, you know when you get caught saying something and someone says where did you hear that, they're more concerned about who said it. >> i just want to play -- i think it's important. let's play his daughter on "the view." >> don't feel bad for me or my family. we're really strong. there's so much more love and prayer and amazing energy being

generated towards us than anything negative at all. the thing that surprises me most is, i was talk about this with you, joy, where don't understand the environment where it's acceptable and you can still come in and have a job. >> i think john mccain realizes he's a public servant, still a senator. criticized on policy i'm sure he would say that's fair game. but something like that, and you heard the family. they're used to be in the public spotlight and scrutinized for their politics. but to have sarah sanders say -- and you're a communications expert. to have sarah sanders say they're not going to discuss this, turning into something that's leaked, is that a good strategy? >> it's really not. but the way to deal with it is to take it head on and admit what everybody knows, that's been reported out from numerous sources from inside the room that obviously were not happy about it. this is the administration

reporting because they think it was wrong. and just get ahead of it and say sure it was wrong, and by the way it won't happen again. >> you interviewed megan. >> yeah, sure. well, we caught up with megan mccain. you know, i was on the camp pain with her. it was just great to see her. an amazing, mature and feisty and funny independent woman. she's really like her dad. a chip off the old block. but we talked about everything, about everything that's going on in washington this week and, you know, what the -- and the specter of john mccain that hangs over everything we do. >> let's listen to her. >> really the reason that we have reform and torture exercise in america is because of john mccain. >> when he was speaking at town halls or interviews he says it's easy to shoot him in the knee and motmatically get this information, and i think he knows better than anyone that

ultimately people break. and people lie and break. and i don't think it's american values to be okay with torture on any level of any kind. i know the counter argument. i still think he is the best expert anyone can find. >> so people have -- he's faced the worst circumstances and survived, right, and overcame the worst obstacles. i wouldn't count john mccain out. >> oh, no. lindsey graham just said this week he's doing pretty well. listen, he's the toughest guy i've ever met. she said she felt sorry for the other 85%. >> amen, brother. do that again so they can see

it. >> you know he's going to kick it hard and carry on regardless. >> we're thinking about you john mccain. the best to you, and you know what, i apologize for those terrible indecent remarks. i am sorry for what ms. saddler said and the whole country is as well. >> go get them, captain. >> so you can see it sunday night at 8:00 eastern. >> one hour this week because of so much happening. >> we get to see giuliani, avenatti, john brennen. oh, my gosh. so what do trump voters -- thank you, again, by the way. what do trump voters think about all this, i want to bring in now the chief correspondent covering national politics, the presidency in congress for "the

washington post." how are you doing, sir? >> i'm good, sir. how are you? >> i'm great. so do you have -- you have an excellent piece. it's in the "the washington post." your profile is midwestern trump voters looking at counties that went for democrats for decades until trump turned them red. some voters are still holding with trump. others are growing weary i understand. one person described this feeling as motion sick. what did you find out? >> well, i found out a couple of things. one, is that this is an area that is crucial to trump's future or let me put it this way, the kind of voters who are in the areas that i was in are crucial to his future. and as you said some of the people who supported him, even if they had not supported him initially in the republican nomination battle have warmed to him and are totally with him at this point. but there are a group of other people who are conflicted. and i put them into two categories. there are the people who are conflicted but who like the policies that he is trying to implement, and they are willing

in a sense to kind of put aside some of the things that upset them, particularly about his conduct and his behavior. there's another group of these conflicted voters for whom that behavior becomes almost overriding. and what i found -- i went in and out of the midwest for 15 months. i started this in january of 2017, really not knowing what i was going to do with it all. but i wanted to go understand better what had happened in 2016. and my editor said don't feel the need to write anything immediately, and we just kind of kept going. and what i found was when i went back and back and particularly this year there were a number of people i had interviewed earlier who were much more open about their unease and the degree to which they have pulled back. and i would say that the grip that trump has on them is much weaker today than it was when i first started talking to them. >> and weary, is it mostly behavior or accomplishments or lack of or what? >> it's -- it's almost all -- >> all of the above. >> the behavior, the disruption, the notion this is a president who -- you know, look, nobody likes the tweets.

even the people who are pretty much all in, there are very few of them who think his tweeting is good. but it goes beyond that. it's a sense of a presidency or a president who doesn't have control of his own impulses. and that's what concerns them. and they -- you know, this one person i talked to said, you know, i think we know how this kind of thing ends and it doesn't necessarily end well. you know, he's not saying he will never vote for trump again if trump runs in 2020. but he said i'm pulling back a bit. a couple of other people i talked to who i've gotten to go over the course of a year, they're at a point where trump has to prove to them that he deserves their vote the next time around. so that i think is the key for trump as he thinks about the next, you know, the next couple of years. how does he reassure those kinds of voters that he is going to be the kind of steady president that they would like to see? dan, let me get this in because you also highlight a man, dan

snicker from iowa and he talks about many workers are experiencing downward mobility, that the jobs are not as good as they used to be, that they're getting paid less. that's where trump's america first message really resonated. so talk to me about that. >> there's no question about that. and that was one of the reasons i went out there. i grew up in northern illinois. i haven't lived there for a long time, but i wanted to go back to try to talk to people, the kinds of people i had grown up with. and i had seen in the part of the country i had grown up, part of the illinois i'd grown up, the loss of manufacturing jobs, you know, a couple of decades period. and dan snicker put his finger on that when i talked to him in

february of 2017. he talked about people have jobs, but they're not the jobs they used to. they've gone backward. the next day i was in a small town in western illinois, morrison, illinois. and i was with congressman sheri buso, a congressman who won the district but trump won it. and we were in a grocery store and she talked to a gentlemen who described what had happened to him over a course of a number of years. he had worked in a manufacturing plant for three decades, they closed the plant, he was out of work for a while. he was in another manufacturing place. he just found the conditions intolerable. he ended up working in a grocery store. and he said i like it here, i like the people. it's a good job and i'm enjoying myself. and she said you must have been taking some pay cuts, and he said yeah $20,000 from one manufacturing plant to the second, and another $20,000 to this one. so that's what happened to

people in that part of the country. and not just that part of the country but a lot of places. and that trump message about jobs and trade and secure borders resonated with people like that. >> dan, great insight. thank you, sir, appreciate it. >> thank you. appreciate it. when we come back, much more on the white house refusing to apologize for a vicious so-called joke at the expense of john mccain. crime going to ask a democratic congresswoman if she thinks anybody in the administration should be held accountable. melatonin is the body's own sleep ingredient. only remfresh uses ion-powered melatonin to deliver up to 7 hours of sleep support. number one sleep doctor recommended remfresh-your nightly sleep companion. available in the natural sleep section at walmart.

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sarah sanders was asked today about the cruel joke by white house aid kerry saddler at the expense of senator john mccain. >> megan mccain, his daughter wondered aloud today why kerry saddler still has a job at the white house. does she still have a job? >> i'm not going to comment on an internal staff meeting. >> congresswoman, good evening to you. >> good evening to you, don. >> do you think kerry saddler needs to be held accountable for her comments or at the very least does the white house need to issue an apology? >> i think the chief of staff as well as the president need to be held accountable.

i think her comments need to be held in the context of the culture we all know in this white house. >> we started the first week with the first lady, and ending with a white house staffer dismissing to john mccain's opposition to saying he's dying anyway. >> i think for her to have a press conference, for her to say she's launching this program and this effort, and i think it's noble, i think it's fine. but i do think that she needs to challenge the very culture that she's in within the white house. she also has a whole effort on cyber bullying and the number one cyber bully in the united states is her husband, the president of the united states. so i think that there's a lot of work that she could do on the home front that would help us all. >> joe biden weighed in on those comments today, and he said that people have wondered when decency have hit rock bottom with this administration, it

happened yesterday. given this white house trail of disrespect toward john and others, this staffer is not the exception to the rule, she is the epitome of it. what do you think of this remark? >> i think the remark is right on point, but i don't think the focus should be on the staffer. it was wrong and she mind be fired, but having said that we should look at the overall picture. look at what the chief of staff said about immigrants. he has a long history of making just inappropriate, insensitive and sometimes dishonest comments. i think it starts at the top. >> at the top, though, the president criticized john mccain. remember i prefer heroes that are not captured. repeatedly he ridiculed

immigrants. >> i really do think her comments are sad. all of us understand mccain is a hero, and we're all watching him suffer and go through this illness. and the idea that somebody would kick you when you're down like this is just completely unacceptable, but i do have to say it's inconsistent. it's what we've seen from day one. it's the way he launched his entire campaign, so none of us should be really surprised. >> i want to talk about this new cnn poll. it's about kanye west. 52% of americans think that kanye west made his recent comments about slavery being a choice because she was seeking publicity. i mean what's your reaction to that? do you think it was a publicity stunt? >> well, i think it probably was. i also think he's a sad character that we know has had a lot of challenges. but the issue of slavery in the united states and you and i know

this very well, the united states really -- the people in our country really have very little understanding about how long slavery lasts, why slavery was here, what the conditions were, the contributions to the economy of the entire united states, the involvement of the north. so there's a whole lot that i think the people of the united states don't understand, and he frankly was just reflecting that ignorance. >> and even if it was a publicity stunt it's tone-deaf to say the least. >> tone-deaf, but we know kanye west has a history of that. >> congresswoman karen bass, thank you. >> thanks for having me on. when we come back the white yale student, the white student at yale who called the police on a sleeping black student has done it before. that's next.

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he says he got lost inside the dorm while looking for his friend. the same grad student who was forced to show her i.d. to police on tuesday, joins me now. thank you so much. this was back in february you asked her for directions -- good evening, by the way -- to the common room, right? what happened? >> she began to interrogate me on spot. she asked me if i was a yale student, and i responded yes, i was and reaching for my i.d. she started screaming and saying basically if you're lost and you don't know where the common room is you must be an intruder. you need to get out, you're making me uncomfortable, you need to leave. confused i turned my back and went to the base of the staircase and she was on top of the 12th floor screaming at me still.

>> what did -- so did police come? did she call police on you? >> she ended up calling police on me. we found out when the friend of mine came to the room, and when she came back she came back with police officers who were looking for a suspicious character, quote-unquote. >> did she tell you why she felt threatened? why do you think she felt threatened? >> i think race was involved clearly. there's a policy in which you have to kind of use your residence key to use the elevator within the graduate hall. >> so to get into the hall, is there a security or a locked door, right? >> yeah, there are security passes you have to go through. >> and even to get on the elevator. >> you would have to have a resident key. and this same woman, sarah braasch, invited me onto the elevator, asked me which floor i

was getting off of, and when we got to the 12th floor she went down stairs. but at no point did i even communicate with her beyond the point i was going to the 12th floor. >> so you and nuliday released a complaint. just because a yale student is lost does not make that individual an intruder. sending four policemen to the common room in my residence just because a black yale student is lost is an act of violence because of the history of state sanctioned executions of faultless black men, women and children. she called it an act of violence. do you see it that way? >> it's an act of violence not just racial profiling but sends a message to many students who experience these micro-aggressions all the time. what sarah told me, you don't belong there. >> how does that make you feel? >> this is place i call home. i've come to yale not just because of the amazing resources but the support i have with so

much faculty and support that has coalesced around me. and to see this could happen at any given moment at yale is problematic. >> but not only at yale. we saw what happened in philadelphia, the woman on the golf course, the woman in california for airbnb and on and on and on. >> you made a point, don. we know you can't drive well in america, you can't walk around at nighttime while black, and now you can't nap while black? there's an issue that needs to be addressed and that needs to have not only a conversation within the yale community but a nationwide conversation. when is the black person allowed to just be in spaces? >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> thank you very much. good luck. keep us informed.

when we come back, like i said this is just one of many, many racial incidents making headlines lately. but none of this is new to people of color in america. we're going to talk about what's going on and why these stories are coming out now. that's next.

a second yale university student has alleged that the same white student officer admonished this week for reporting a black student asleep in the dorm common room called police months ago to report his presence in the building. as you heard earlier he went to the dorm to meet with the graduate student who was reported just this week for sleeping in the common area. i want to bring the writer for the "rolling stone," the republican strategist and cnn political commentator mr. mark hill. good evening to all of you. >> always down for that, always. >> listen and we saw -- and sometimes you have to laugh. we saw what happened at yale

with the female student. and now the mail student is alleging a similar thing happened to him. whether it's starbucks, shopping at nordstrom rack after the prom, barbecuing, all of it. is it getting worse or is it just this tool, cellphone videos that we're seeing it more? >> it's not getting any worse. i'm sorry, it's not getting any worse. it's the same thing all the time. for years being black has meant degradation, lack of access to public space. the only difference before is now we have surveillance. we have people that get kicked out of stores and followed around stores all the time. >> and there's this reaction just to piggyback off of what mark is saying, there's almost a reaction from white america like how could this be.

and meanwhile we're like this is what's it's been. so there's a dichotomy between black and white america in just the receiving of the facts again. >> so we repeated the incident in north carolina of this man being choked and we'll put it up, by an officer at a waffle house. bernie king tweeted out today to boycott waffle house, it should be boycotted, the whole chain for involving the black patrons there. waffle house says it will reach out to king to address her concerns, but a boycott, is that the right response? >> look, i think if you want to send an example to certain institutions that we are not going to be mistreated and we're spending our dollars at those institutions then we should absolutely take our dollars and spend them elsewhere. but what's also peculiar to me about this, don, is that so often particularly young black

men are told to pull up your pants, be respectful when in public, no ma'am, yes, ma'am. you have the three african-american women in california at the airbnb, they were not given the benefit of the doubt. you have the african-american student, a young guy, 20 years old taking his sister to the prom at the waffle house. he was not given the benefit of the doubt. and so while we love to say we're this great diverse society. i have to question if we're truly that diverse, why do we see people who are of color mistreated unfairly? don, we keep having the same conversations over and over and over again. but until certain members of our society take the opportunity to truly understand the black experience which is desperate from their own experience, they will never understand what it's like to walk in our shoes. >> i want to get trey in this conversation, i hate to say you

can't do one without the other. i think people should be prideful. respectability, for me that's a whole -- i think people should -- this is all about self-pride for me. i'm very proud of myself, but i don't really care what someone else thinks about me of any race. i care what i think about me. so that doesn't mean we can't better ourselves. we can't come in dressed like trey. what more do you have to do? go ahead, trey. >> i think that's the tough thing about these situations. what continues to be a shock for people when they look at these situations and white american people want to apply logic. they say this doesn't make any sense so clearly there may be a rational answer to what's happening. it doesn't flush with their reality. >> this is the video of a 65-year-old black woman, this is in georgia being pulled over in her car by a police officer in a traffic stop gone wrong here. the police officer has since resigned. the ride sharing app lyft has

issued a statement saying she's a driver for them and what happens to her occurs all too often for black americans. it could have ended much worse than this. and this reminds me of -- of so many we see, right? >> it's really, really, really hard to watch. it's an assault on our very humanity. and i guess my argument, my push back would just be i'm not sure we necessarily need to have proximity in order to have the presumption of humanity. there are many black people, there are many people of color who don't live in proximity to white people. but the presumption of their humanity is always there. we've just got to be given the benefit of the doubt that first we're people. we have blood flowing through

our bodies just like the rest of us. >> if you don't have to deal with it, though, it doesn't exist. >> that's not true for people of color in this country. >> i'm not saying it's right. >> that's what we're talking about. we're talking about white privilege here, the extraordinary privilege to not to have to know what's going on, to not have to care. >> convenient. >> it's very convenient. for example, i don't know of a black person in new york who doesn't have difficulty with a cab not stopping for you. or when it stops for you they start asking questions where you going. >> up town -- >> contactually. or the cab goes past you -- or the cab drives past you and picks up the white person who was there second. when that happens i've had white people shrug and say this is messed up, but they still get in

the cab. and that's where the problem comes in. white people have to be accountable to what happens in this country. and white supremacy is something can only be ended by white people. until they do that, we're not going to get anywhere. stick with me. when we come back i want to talk about childish gam beano and his stunning video of "this is america." a lot to say about this one. ♪ this is america

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his rap alter ego goes by the name childish gambino. this is america is gritty and graphic portrayal of what it's like to be black in america. tackling issues such as gun violence and race. tonight's cnn's miguel marquez talks about the music video. and a warning to you our viewers. parts of the video may be hard to watch. >> i think in many ways this is just a reflection of our

existence. >> black on black violence, what do you draw from this? >> i wouldn't say it's quite specifically about gun violence in america. it's mostly about violence perpetrated on black americans. this frustration, this reflection, this existence that many of us have endured is exactly what birthed the black lives matter movement. this particular image i instantaneously was brought back to south carolina with dylan ruth. >> dylan ruth, a white supremacist, a teenager who shot and killed nine people. >> throughout the video you see this dual reality. this unique stance that donald

glover, childish gambino was in. it's sort of chucking and jiving. >> this has tens of millions of views across the internet. it has garnered headlines not only in this country but around the world. people don't watch music videos like this one anymore. why this one? >> clearly it's more than a music video. it's a visual masterpiece. also the timing, whether it is living in the trump presidency world, right off the heels of kanye and his recent antics. it's so raw, so real. >> this video also comes at a time where america is waking up to sort of a new level of realization of black and white culture, the double standard. whether you were a black man in philadelphia at a starbucks or a former nfl'er in atlanta or in north carolina who was taking his sister to the prom or after. >> none of this is new to me or

childish gambino. what's new is the exposure of it. i don't think it's no longer about indifference is no longer a choice. it's literally this is reflection. >> back with me now. you said this is something we can't afford to look away from. >> this idea that we've become so desensitized to the idea that black bodies are strewn across the country every day. some of that goes very viral, some of that under the hush of night. and it's hard when you have to grapple with the pain when it country wants instead is for us

to dance and shut up. >> what's your take away? >> look, don, i think again it was a masterpiece. it reminds me a lat of the black arts movement back in the '60s, and i sort of hope this was a cultural revelation, if you will, that will encourage other artists to do the same. >> my favorite part in the end is when he's running, like he's running for his life, he's trying to escape. this, for me, it's like you're trapped in a world. you can see the sunlight, you can see the light at the end of the tunnel but you cannot get out of it. it's like you're running away from slavery. also the dancing, the caricature of jim grow stood out to me. >> yeah, it was powerful and shows just how sophisticated and highly literal donald glover is. i think the idea of running and you see the image of the church and entertainment and

dancing and distraction is powerful. he's making a powerful visual statement and i don't think it's improper to call them a genius but it's important to reduce genius to black men. there is a powerful visual that also is a form of black genius. we have to talk janelle monay and there is powerful transitions of gender, race and empire. >> yeah, the shootings and the video is almost too familiar to see the children in the church which brings us back to as we said brings us back to charleston. the different ways he tackles gun violence. >> the metaphor high art. it's such a display of true genius. i love that he has given us so

many bread crumbs here on the set. i think this goes on and on and on and speaks to the complexity and experience. >> we talked about genius. kanye is musical genius. 23% have a favorable opinion of him and those who heard about politics and slavery, 56% believed him. 23% are not buying it. >> black genius is not enough. it's how you live your life. the difference between glover today and kanye explains the difference. >> what do you think? >> a couple things. the idea genius, it's been hard in this day in age to bottle up genius in the abstract. we have a social media kind of culture where people are living their entire life out across the

spectrum. kanye made the choice to be something bigger than just musician and he is paying the price for that. i think i'm much more driven by what they are doing. i think they are moving the culture forward and showing the black experience and the pop culture nowadays is that and the reason we have tensions we have in terms of main stream accept tense and rejection of the different type of art we're putting out there more and more. >> well said. thank you, panel. >> thank you. >> i enjoyed that. this sunday tune in. bell will travel to south carolina to meet survivors. step into the past in the next united shades of america and see the birthplace sunday night at 10:00 p.m.

here a preview. >> this art is considered one of the oldest arts for afro americans and visualize patterns that are holder. for enslavement, there was no need for a beautiful piece. this say waste of time. >> need to get it done. it's like you're making tools. >> correct, correct. >> you're not making art. >> correct. >> you've done something i try to remind myself to do. you specifically say enslaved, not slaves. i try to remind myself that, you know, a person is not a slave. >> correct. it's out of respect. >> so you can't teach me how to do this, can you? >> colleen. get him. get him. >> i'm ready to be gotten. >> yes and no. >> okay. >> see, you're a come here, been here. >> you're a come here, we've a been here. >> yes. >> so i'm like a dark-skinned white man? >> yes. [ laughter ]

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